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The Error of Christian Perfectionism

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australiancomposer	Free Will	#41	[-]
Posts: 14 (06/23/09 10:34 PM) Completely Clueless Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	1. Are you denying we all have the Free Will to embrace or reject God? 2. Why a Judgment and condemnation of the wicked if according to you every one freely accepts God's Gift? 3. Here's another verse proving we all have the Free Will to reject God's Free Gift and most certainly do freely reject it - Because strait [ is ] the gate, and narrow [ is ] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. {Because: or, How} (Matt. 7:14) KJV 4. Adam & Eve initially had FREE access to the Tree of Life, they both rejected it and never accepted the opportunity to partake of it and then it was later denied to them and they were evicted from access to it. (Gen. 3:22) KJV Thank you for your time.
Inquiringmind3		#42	[-]
Posts: 5 (07/03/09 05:44 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Deborah1611 wrote: Show me the verse in the Scriptures that show that we have free will to reject what was freely given to us, please! Thanks. If we didn't have free will to reject God than Salvation wouldn't be a gift it would be a command and it wouldn't be offered up to us in love but in forcefullness. It is the same as like me saying to a woman, "Hey baby I am going to mate with you so I can give you the gift of bearing my children". So do you call that a gift? I don't, I call that rape. Also a man does not say to his partner, YOU WILL marry me. He says WILL YOU marry me. The first one is a command and the other a proposition of love. You ask for biblical evidence to show you that we don't have free will to accept God's gift of salvation? Mt, 22: 1-14
Inquiringmind3		#43	[-]
Posts: 6 (07/03/09 05:47 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	australiancomposer wrote: The Gift to participate by using your other gift of Free-Will is freely given and like Jesus' example (Luke 22:42) KJV Jesus also had to submit his Self-Will to that of his God's Will. IF the reward were Free then the wicked would also receive it with no effort on their part but we know the wicked will NOT receive Salvation therefore the Free Gift of Salvation needs to be earned by all who are freely given the Gift of the opportunity to take part. Jesus' sacrifice (crucifixion) was the perfect EXAMPLE of what he also had to do FIRST for himself, in order to be that fitting EXAMPLE to others. (Heb. 7:27) KJV Taking full advantage of that Gift to take part in earning Salvation, Jesus was rewarded for his efforts. (Immortality) AC you can't earn your salvation by trying to be worthy. The bible never says you can earn it, it says through faith you WILL receive it.
composer2005	Faith without works is dead.	#44	[-]
Posts: 90 (07/04/09 03:38 AM) No Clue Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I agree also that Faith on its own is also insufficient - . . . . faith without works is dead? (James 2:20) KJV Thank you
Inquiringmind3		#45	[-]
Posts: 10 (07/04/09 01:16 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	composer2005 wrote: I agree also that Faith on its own is also insufficient - . . . . faith without works is dead? (James 2:20) KJV Thank you When does faith exist apart from works? I never understood why people think faith lone does not save. The bible states so many times that it does.
composer2005	Faith alone NOT sufficient	#46	[-]
Posts: 91 (07/04/09 08:49 PM) No Clue Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Obviously Faith alone is not sufficient. James 2:20 proves it is not sufficient. Obviously the belief it is sufficient alone is incorrect.
Inquiringmind3		#47	[-]
Posts: 11 (07/05/09 12:41 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	composer2005 wrote: Obviously Faith alone is not sufficient. James 2:20 proves it is not sufficient. Obviously the belief it is sufficient alone is incorrect. That's not what I asked yah. I asked you when does faith exist apart from works? Give me an example. I am trying to clearify what you think faith alone means.
composer2005		#48	[-]
Posts: 92 (07/05/09 08:49 PM) No Clue Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith , (Gal. 5:22) KJV Faith is but one fundamental requirement from which one must build upon.
Inquiringmind3		#49	[-]
Posts: 12 (07/06/09 11:42 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	composer2005 wrote: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith , (Gal. 5:22) KJV Faith is but one fundamental requirement from which one must build upon. There seems to be a communication barrier because twice I have asked a very simple question and twice you tried to deflect it. The above has nothing to do with the question I asked you. Was I disputing any of the above? No. So I am going to ask you again. What does faith apart from works looks like? If you cannot answer this question this is the most visible sign to everyone here that your epistomology is based on limited understanding of faith alone. So answer the question please and prove me wrong. The ball is back in your court. Last Edited By: Inquiringmind3 07/07/09 09:19 AM. Edited 1 times.
australiancomposer	Faith alone not enough	#50	[-]
Posts: 15 (08/14/09 12:19 AM) Completely Clueless Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	What does ' Faith look like on its own ' you ask. Faith is the willingness to do the Will of God (cf. Luke 22:42) rather than follow your own set of moral standards. Because believers believe that God literally exists and it is incumbent on those who believe this to be true, to manifest that belief in practical ways. i.e. Believe the Bible is God's Words of instructions to Christians (1 Pet. 2:21) (allowing for known errors etc. e.g. 1 John 5: 7 KJV) Last Edited By: australiancomposer 08/14/09 12:27 AM. Edited 1 times.

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